1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:11,170 --> 00:00:08,760 [Applause] 3 00:00:12,910 --> 00:00:11,180 in the my name is Trent Stubbs I'm a 4 00:00:14,740 --> 00:00:12,920 rising senior undergraduate student at 5 00:00:15,820 --> 00:00:14,750 Furman University and I've been working 6 00:00:17,890 --> 00:00:15,830 into the direction of dr. Greg 7 00:00:20,439 --> 00:00:17,900 Springsteen for the past two summers at 8 00:00:24,429 --> 00:00:20,449 a part of NASA and NSF funded Center for 9 00:00:26,620 --> 00:00:24,439 chemical evolution so I would like to 10 00:00:28,540 --> 00:00:26,630 start today by discussing the classic 11 00:00:30,490 --> 00:00:28,550 miller-urey experiment done in the 1950s 12 00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:30,500 it's really launched the field of 13 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:31,910 prebiotic chemistry of course by 14 00:00:36,850 --> 00:00:34,220 demonstrating being able to transform 15 00:00:39,069 --> 00:00:36,860 these small organic materials into 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:39,079 larger biologically relevant species 17 00:00:44,260 --> 00:00:42,050 like amino acids to other some more 18 00:00:46,510 --> 00:00:44,270 related experiments being formaldehyde 19 00:00:48,670 --> 00:00:46,520 condensation producing saccharides or 20 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:48,680 HCN polymerization and hydrolysis 21 00:00:53,260 --> 00:00:50,330 generating a lot of precursors to 22 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:53,270 nucleobases but as you can tell from the 23 00:00:57,700 --> 00:00:55,190 two HPLC chromatograms 24 00:00:59,500 --> 00:00:57,710 there was no thermodynamic end product 25 00:01:01,810 --> 00:00:59,510 to these processes and it's hard to 26 00:01:04,149 --> 00:01:01,820 imagine that biology could then take 27 00:01:06,910 --> 00:01:04,159 this system which is somewhat of an 28 00:01:08,890 --> 00:01:06,920 organic tar-like mess and be able to 29 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:08,900 evolve from it and as some sort of 30 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:12,080 established foundation so when we were 31 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:14,210 designing our experiments to investigate 32 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:15,710 the origins of metabolism we wanted 33 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:17,090 something a little bit more robust and 34 00:01:20,860 --> 00:01:18,770 so we wanted to study something that 35 00:01:23,190 --> 00:01:20,870 exists in every living system ever and 36 00:01:26,020 --> 00:01:23,200 that is the circuit citric acid cycle 37 00:01:28,090 --> 00:01:26,030 these transformations now have many 38 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:28,100 roles in modern biology three of which 39 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:30,010 are to capture redox potential 40 00:01:34,810 --> 00:01:32,930 biosynthesize other relevant molecules 41 00:01:36,250 --> 00:01:34,820 and then fixate carbon in the form of 42 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:36,260 the reductive citric acid cycle 43 00:01:41,260 --> 00:01:39,050 now these specific transformations to 44 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:41,270 turn pyruvate an acetyl co a into these 45 00:01:45,010 --> 00:01:43,250 larger building block intermediates 46 00:01:47,649 --> 00:01:45,020 require eleven different enzymes and 47 00:01:52,030 --> 00:01:47,659 multiple Co factors including nad plus F 48 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:52,040 ad and GDP but but of course we were 49 00:01:56,710 --> 00:01:54,650 just looking more for a some sort of 50 00:01:59,710 --> 00:01:56,720 remnant of these robusta geochemical 51 00:02:01,260 --> 00:01:59,720 pathways that existed within and many 52 00:02:04,210 --> 00:02:01,270 researchers before have tried to 53 00:02:05,770 --> 00:02:04,220 recapitulate these exact transformations 54 00:02:08,259 --> 00:02:05,780 that occur within the citric acid cycle 55 00:02:09,910 --> 00:02:08,269 and only two of which really proceeded 56 00:02:11,710 --> 00:02:09,920 in high yield that's the oxidative 57 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:11,720 decarboxylation and the beta 58 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:14,810 decarboxylation and and it makes very 59 00:02:19,119 --> 00:02:17,120 good sense for why these transformations 60 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:19,129 don't occur the carboxylate is just 61 00:02:23,860 --> 00:02:20,690 simply not reactive enough 62 00:02:25,930 --> 00:02:23,870 the carbonyl carbon is not electrophilic 63 00:02:28,660 --> 00:02:25,940 enough for attack and then the carbon 64 00:02:31,330 --> 00:02:28,670 alpha 2 the carboxylate has a pKa of 65 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:31,340 about 27 so it's just not something that 66 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:33,290 is nucleophilic enough to be able to 67 00:02:37,510 --> 00:02:35,570 establish an appreciable equilibrium 68 00:02:41,890 --> 00:02:37,520 between the carboxylate and the either 69 00:02:44,230 --> 00:02:41,900 email or enolate to attack out of so we 70 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:44,240 had an idea and now is to replace this 71 00:02:47,980 --> 00:02:46,010 carboxylate functional group with 72 00:02:49,510 --> 00:02:47,990 something more reactive and that more 73 00:02:51,610 --> 00:02:49,520 reactive group turns out to be something 74 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:51,620 called an alpha keto acid and it's shown 75 00:02:57,220 --> 00:02:54,110 below on the bottom half of the screen 76 00:02:59,110 --> 00:02:57,230 and these alpha keto acids are much more 77 00:03:00,700 --> 00:02:59,120 electrophilic at that carbonyl carbon 78 00:03:02,830 --> 00:03:00,710 and are susceptible to attack and 79 00:03:05,860 --> 00:03:02,840 they're much more nucleophilic that 80 00:03:08,650 --> 00:03:05,870 alpha carbon next to the keto acid has a 81 00:03:10,030 --> 00:03:08,660 pKa of about 12 so now in an aqueous 82 00:03:13,060 --> 00:03:10,040 environment we can begin to 83 00:03:15,010 --> 00:03:13,070 deprotonating and start form the enol or 84 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:15,020 enolate to attack out of as a good 85 00:03:20,230 --> 00:03:17,840 nucleophile and somewhat remarkably this 86 00:03:22,690 --> 00:03:20,240 alpha keto acid can then be transformed 87 00:03:24,910 --> 00:03:22,700 right back into the canonical carboxylic 88 00:03:27,790 --> 00:03:24,920 acid in near quantitative yield just 89 00:03:30,010 --> 00:03:27,800 through the oxidative decarboxylation so 90 00:03:31,780 --> 00:03:30,020 our idea was to take the citric acid 91 00:03:33,460 --> 00:03:31,790 cycle something robust in every 92 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:33,470 biological system that exists and 93 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:35,450 replaced one of those carboxylate 94 00:03:38,980 --> 00:03:37,070 functional groups with this more 95 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:38,990 reactive alpha keto acid functional 96 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:40,970 group and that's shown on the second 97 00:03:46,270 --> 00:03:43,760 line so for example Malley becomes now 98 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:46,280 mal loyal for mate or fumarate becomes 99 00:03:51,729 --> 00:03:48,530 few more oil for me and you may even see 100 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:51,739 that some keto acids exist now already 101 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:54,290 in the citric acid cycle like alpha 102 00:03:59,199 --> 00:03:57,650 ketoglutarate and oxaloacetate and 103 00:04:01,180 --> 00:03:59,209 here's just an example of one reference 104 00:04:03,820 --> 00:04:01,190 in the literature right now utilizing 105 00:04:06,970 --> 00:04:03,830 the power of these alpha keto acids this 106 00:04:08,260 --> 00:04:06,980 was done by kim @l in the 70s where they 107 00:04:11,380 --> 00:04:08,270 were able to show the generation of 108 00:04:13,330 --> 00:04:11,390 citrate through a self condensation of 109 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:13,340 oxaloacetate followed by beta 110 00:04:17,050 --> 00:04:15,110 decarboxylation and then oxidative 111 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:17,060 decarboxylation to give reasonable 112 00:04:23,860 --> 00:04:19,310 yields in the aqueous environment at a 113 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:23,870 pH of 5 in pH of 7 we wanted to test our 114 00:04:28,659 --> 00:04:26,510 prebiotic pathway and so we did that by 115 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:28,669 reacting 200 millimolar pyruvate with 116 00:04:34,060 --> 00:04:31,250 three equivalents of glyoxylate and a pH 117 00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:34,070 7 buffer and that gave us these first 118 00:04:38,410 --> 00:04:36,230 these two NMR's shown and it was 119 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:38,420 somewhat remarkable and that not only 120 00:04:43,150 --> 00:04:40,610 did we see the first aldol addition 121 00:04:45,940 --> 00:04:43,160 product that mal oil form eight species 122 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:45,950 but we also saw the condensation product 123 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:48,410 and then reduction product and then 124 00:04:52,090 --> 00:04:49,910 subsequent aldol addition and 125 00:04:53,500 --> 00:04:52,100 condensation product as well and this 126 00:04:56,050 --> 00:04:53,510 was really exciting for us and that's 127 00:04:58,690 --> 00:04:56,060 what the both NMR's are showing us a 128 00:05:01,360 --> 00:04:58,700 being starting from pyruvate and then be 129 00:05:03,430 --> 00:05:01,370 starting from alpha ketoglutarate where 130 00:05:06,070 --> 00:05:03,440 nearly everything we produced in 131 00:05:08,140 --> 00:05:06,080 solution was one of these citric acid 132 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:08,150 cycle equivalence right just with the 133 00:05:14,410 --> 00:05:11,830 alpha keto acid functional group and 134 00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:14,420 then from there we wanted to transform 135 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:16,400 this keto acid group back into the 136 00:05:19,900 --> 00:05:18,590 carboxylate functional group and we did 137 00:05:22,570 --> 00:05:19,910 that just through the oxidative 138 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:22,580 decarboxylation ECAR box elation 139 00:05:25,810 --> 00:05:24,410 mechanism with five equivalents of 140 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:25,820 hydrogen peroxide just at room 141 00:05:30,010 --> 00:05:28,160 temperature and in mere 15 minutes it 142 00:05:32,890 --> 00:05:30,020 gave us this beautiful spectra below 143 00:05:34,930 --> 00:05:32,900 where now everything in solution is now 144 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:34,940 these citric acid cycle intermediates 145 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:36,800 and this all stemmed from a single 146 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:39,410 reaction pot a single system of just 147 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:41,420 pyruvate and glyoxylate the smallest 148 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:43,820 alpha keto acid and the second smallest 149 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:47,750 alpha keto acid another way which we 150 00:05:53,170 --> 00:05:49,730 were able to visualize this reaction 151 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:53,180 progression was by HPLC so two of the 152 00:05:57,730 --> 00:05:55,070 molecules in particular having a double 153 00:05:59,590 --> 00:05:57,740 bond really have a nice UV trace one 154 00:06:01,270 --> 00:05:59,600 being the few more oil formate labeled B 155 00:06:03,910 --> 00:06:01,280 and the other being a Cana torial 156 00:06:05,590 --> 00:06:03,920 formate labeled C so as we see that 157 00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:05,600 concentration of fumarole formate 158 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:08,270 increase as we begin to go through the 159 00:06:12,910 --> 00:06:10,460 cycle we then see it reached its maximum 160 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:12,920 and then start to fall as the 161 00:06:16,870 --> 00:06:14,810 concentration of the transit connot 162 00:06:19,150 --> 00:06:16,880 eight begins to increase so this was a 163 00:06:21,370 --> 00:06:19,160 beautiful pathway to really show that we 164 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:21,380 were following this this cyclic system 165 00:06:25,810 --> 00:06:23,450 like that of the reductive reductive 166 00:06:28,870 --> 00:06:25,820 citric acid cycle and we believe that 167 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:28,880 that transformation from be the fumarole 168 00:06:33,070 --> 00:06:30,710 format to the alpha ketoglutarate is the 169 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:33,080 rate limiting step and it is presumed 170 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:35,060 that that might proceed through a Kaunas 171 00:06:40,330 --> 00:06:37,370 ro type reduction of a hydride through 172 00:06:42,340 --> 00:06:40,340 the hydrate of glyoxylate additionally 173 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:42,350 this helped us visualize that we were 174 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:45,290 also producing some sis Akana Tate which 175 00:06:51,409 --> 00:06:47,490 is the biologically relevant ice 176 00:06:54,529 --> 00:06:51,419 of ikana tate and so this is the pathway 177 00:06:56,930 --> 00:06:54,539 in a nutshell the outer cycle being the 178 00:06:59,629 --> 00:06:56,940 modern reductive citric acid cycle and 179 00:07:01,670 --> 00:06:59,639 the inner cycle being our keto acid 180 00:07:03,980 --> 00:07:01,680 equivalent pathway starting from 181 00:07:06,529 --> 00:07:03,990 pyruvate and glyoxylate proceeding 182 00:07:08,330 --> 00:07:06,539 through the exact inner the exact 183 00:07:11,659 --> 00:07:08,340 equivalent of the intermediates in the 184 00:07:14,420 --> 00:07:11,669 citric acid cycle in a single reaction 185 00:07:17,450 --> 00:07:14,430 pot a single reaction system at a pH of 186 00:07:21,020 --> 00:07:17,460 seven and 50 degrees C and in only 21 187 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:21,030 hours now you may see the one gap in 188 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:23,130 between the Econo toil format in central 189 00:07:28,330 --> 00:07:25,409 formate that's one area in which we 190 00:07:31,730 --> 00:07:28,340 wanted to investigate in the future and 191 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:31,740 we have now an idea for being able to 192 00:07:38,180 --> 00:07:35,610 transform that molecule the medial econo 193 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:38,190 toll format we call it into the central 194 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:40,889 forming if medial kana toriel form eight 195 00:07:45,559 --> 00:07:42,690 just hydrates in water it would be a 196 00:07:47,659 --> 00:07:45,569 conjugate addition and it would add not 197 00:07:49,490 --> 00:07:47,669 at the tertiary carbon which is give us 198 00:07:51,649 --> 00:07:49,500 the Satori form eight so we need to 199 00:07:53,749 --> 00:07:51,659 somewhat rearrange this keto acid 200 00:07:56,270 --> 00:07:53,759 functional group and we found that while 201 00:07:59,870 --> 00:07:56,280 taking an NMR of this species we would 202 00:08:02,330 --> 00:07:59,880 exchange protons with a deuterium in d2o 203 00:08:04,490 --> 00:08:02,340 at the beta carbon which would suggest 204 00:08:06,529 --> 00:08:04,500 we somehow activated that beta carbon 205 00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:06,539 and when you look at the structures and 206 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:07,919 particularly the resonance structures of 207 00:08:12,140 --> 00:08:09,930 that species it makes sense why that 208 00:08:14,209 --> 00:08:12,150 carbon was activated it's now dumping 209 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:14,219 into the carboxylate adjacent to it and 210 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:16,409 then through the double bond into 211 00:08:21,499 --> 00:08:19,440 another carboxylate as well so in theory 212 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:21,509 now we can add a second equivalent of 213 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:23,610 glyoxylate ad at the beta position and 214 00:08:28,610 --> 00:08:26,340 then hydrate in retro out all that first 215 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:28,620 glyoxylate addition giving us now 216 00:08:33,409 --> 00:08:30,930 terminal Akana toil for mate same 217 00:08:35,149 --> 00:08:33,419 molecule just having that car box re the 218 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:35,159 keto acid a functional group in a 219 00:08:39,589 --> 00:08:37,110 different location this would then 220 00:08:41,180 --> 00:08:39,599 hydrate in the tertiary position we 221 00:08:43,430 --> 00:08:41,190 believe which would retro a little 222 00:08:46,430 --> 00:08:43,440 giving us two molecules of pyruvate and 223 00:08:48,139 --> 00:08:46,440 one molecule of carbon dioxide so if we 224 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:48,149 can achieve this transformation now in 225 00:08:51,949 --> 00:08:49,770 the future that would have taken us from 226 00:08:55,930 --> 00:08:51,959 one pyruvate starting the cycle to two 227 00:08:57,680 --> 00:08:55,940 pyruvates and in excess of glyoxylate 228 00:09:00,439 --> 00:08:57,690 something else we wanted to demonstrate 229 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:00,449 was how far can we take these alpha keto 230 00:09:04,219 --> 00:09:01,649 acids how 231 00:09:05,869 --> 00:09:04,229 can we utilize their reactiveness and 232 00:09:08,509 --> 00:09:05,879 and we wanted to generate some amino 233 00:09:10,129 --> 00:09:08,519 acids much like biology does with them 234 00:09:12,199 --> 00:09:10,139 now and so we did that through a 235 00:09:13,429 --> 00:09:12,209 transamination with the simplest amino 236 00:09:16,009 --> 00:09:13,439 acid glycine 237 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:16,019 and a potassium aluminium salt at 80 238 00:09:21,710 --> 00:09:18,569 degrees C and a pH of 5 for about five 239 00:09:23,179 --> 00:09:21,720 hours and NMR a showing the generation 240 00:09:26,210 --> 00:09:23,189 of glutamate from alpha ketoglutarate 241 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:26,220 and then B showing the generation of 242 00:09:30,619 --> 00:09:28,769 alanine from pyruvate in the presence of 243 00:09:33,229 --> 00:09:30,629 the glyoxylate and this potassium 244 00:09:37,249 --> 00:09:33,239 aluminium salt and then now somewhat 245 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:37,259 interestingly is as well the glycine 246 00:09:41,689 --> 00:09:39,809 species then is also it's undergoing 247 00:09:44,509 --> 00:09:41,699 that transamination so it is producing 248 00:09:46,429 --> 00:09:44,519 glyoxylate which is the feed stock for 249 00:09:50,689 --> 00:09:46,439 our prebiotic cycle as shown on the 250 00:09:52,219 --> 00:09:50,699 previous slide and so just one more time 251 00:09:54,859 --> 00:09:52,229 just to kind of wrap up everything that 252 00:09:57,109 --> 00:09:54,869 was done on this project the inner cycle 253 00:09:59,089 --> 00:09:57,119 being our alpha keto acid equivalent in 254 00:10:03,079 --> 00:09:59,099 the outer cycle being the canonical 255 00:10:06,229 --> 00:10:03,089 citric acid cycle and a couple key 256 00:10:08,239 --> 00:10:06,239 points I want to emphasize or we're not 257 00:10:10,969 --> 00:10:08,249 suggesting that it was hydrogen peroxide 258 00:10:13,699 --> 00:10:10,979 or a potassium aluminium salt which 259 00:10:15,590 --> 00:10:13,709 under did these exact transformations 260 00:10:18,590 --> 00:10:15,600 but what we're trying to show is that 261 00:10:20,569 --> 00:10:18,600 going from these keto acids to the 262 00:10:23,119 --> 00:10:20,579 canonical carboxylates or two amino 263 00:10:25,309 --> 00:10:23,129 acids would have been really easy and 264 00:10:28,579 --> 00:10:25,319 really efficient and even advantageous 265 00:10:31,579 --> 00:10:28,589 for an evolving enzymatic system to to 266 00:10:34,309 --> 00:10:31,589 to use once it requires regulation 267 00:10:36,229 --> 00:10:34,319 because once we get the car nautical 268 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:36,239 citric acid cycle intermediates as I 269 00:10:40,969 --> 00:10:38,850 showed on I think slide 2 they're dead 270 00:10:42,859 --> 00:10:40,979 ends and we can't undergo any further 271 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:42,869 transformations unless we have that 272 00:10:49,489 --> 00:10:45,569 enzyme so we can imagine this as a 273 00:10:51,859 --> 00:10:49,499 possible prebiotic we plausible system 274 00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:51,869 for now in evolving enzyme to really get 275 00:10:57,829 --> 00:10:54,089 ahold of and grasp and be and to 276 00:10:59,539 --> 00:10:57,839 transform and evolve so with that I 277 00:11:00,829 --> 00:10:59,549 would just like to thank everyone who 278 00:11:02,419 --> 00:11:00,839 helped support this project Furman 279 00:11:04,639 --> 00:11:02,429 University and the Furman advantage for 280 00:11:07,339 --> 00:11:04,649 funding my summer research experience 281 00:11:09,499 --> 00:11:07,349 NASA and the NSF for funding the Center 282 00:11:11,449 --> 00:11:09,509 for chemical evolution the Scripps 283 00:11:13,489 --> 00:11:11,459 Research Institute specifically the lab 284 00:11:14,230 --> 00:11:13,499 of dr. Rama Krishna Murthy for all their 285 00:11:16,690 --> 00:11:14,240 help 286 00:11:18,490 --> 00:11:16,700 operation on this product and lastly my 287 00:11:20,860 --> 00:11:18,500 lab members ELISA clay who's now at 288 00:11:22,990 --> 00:11:20,870 Stanford Rachel Cooke who will be giving 289 00:11:25,269 --> 00:11:23,000 a poster presentation tonight at seven 290 00:11:26,889 --> 00:11:25,279 and my p i-- and and mentor dr. Greg 291 00:11:28,180 --> 00:11:26,899 Springsteen so with that thank you so 292 00:11:36,010 --> 00:11:28,190 much for your attention I'd be happy to 293 00:11:58,640 --> 00:11:36,020 take any questions so we have time for 294 00:12:10,380 --> 00:12:06,690 yes right so we do see some oxalate in 295 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:10,390 the NMR and particularly we believe 296 00:12:17,490 --> 00:12:12,370 there are a couple of competing pathways 297 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:17,500 which might produce this the alpha 298 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:19,930 ketoglutarate another one being through 299 00:12:22,950 --> 00:12:22,450 a second edition of glyoxylate but 300 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:22,960 that's something we're still 301 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:24,370 investigating and wanting to look down 302 00:12:27,060 --> 00:12:25,510 the road to really confirm that 303 00:13:00,270 --> 00:12:27,070 particularly with some isotopic labeling 304 00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:00,280 studies though I think it's a great 305 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:01,870 question I think that's one of the the 306 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:03,970 strongest points we have for this 307 00:13:09,630 --> 00:13:06,580 prebiotic cycle is that it runs by 308 00:13:11,010 --> 00:13:09,640 itself and therefore for some sort of 309 00:13:13,050 --> 00:13:11,020 living system there would be no 310 00:13:15,660 --> 00:13:13,060 regulation and there would be no control 311 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:15,670 over what's occurring it can just go in 312 00:13:20,250 --> 00:13:18,130 water by itself pretty remarkable so 313 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:20,260 then once the enzyme catalysis were 314 00:13:23,370 --> 00:13:21,970 available it could really kind of 315 00:13:26,780 --> 00:13:23,380 capture it and get a hold of what was 316 00:13:47,340 --> 00:13:26,790 going on that's exactly right 317 00:13:51,540 --> 00:13:49,410 so right now that that's just an 318 00:13:55,050 --> 00:13:51,550 oxidative decarboxylation mechanism and 319 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:55,060 the currently the the cofactor to do 320 00:13:59,819 --> 00:13:57,970 that is TPP but we can do that with 321 00:14:01,650 --> 00:13:59,829 hydrogen peroxide which is just the 322 00:14:08,380 --> 00:14:01,660 byproduct of the photo oxidation of